Dream Team within Five days of Convention

Senator Obama is viewed in a very specific way. As a dreamer who has lofty goals. How did this young "inexperienced" unknown defeat the Clinton political machine? Why is this "dreamer" so close to the presidency? When asked about choosing his VP in May
Senator Obama replied " I'm a very practical-minded guy". I will choose the person who will will best help me win the presidency.
During the primaries it was all about math. Careful planning and an effective strategy was put in motion. No Drama just practical and diciplined. I would suggest everyone has had their eyes on Obama the idealist and not Obama the pragmatist.

If you want to hide something you should leave it out in clear view.
Senator Clinton has always been the obvious choice and for good reason she offers Instant Unity, Money, and more votes which means a better chance of delivering the Presidency. By choosing Clinton you instantly turn a rival into a supporter because as VP she can not run for the 2012 presidency. The Obama Political Machine is planning an elaborate strategy to guarantee the presidency as follows. Within five days of the Democratic convention Senator Obama will announce formally that he has chosen the "person who would have been on any one's shortlist", Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. This will create a media firestorm that will last through the convention and put an end to McCain/Romney and the Republican convention. On Tuesday August 26th aka "Hillary Night" Senator Clinton will talk about how far women have come and the "glass ceilings" shattered. (August 26th 1920 the 19th amendment to the U.S. Constitution became law allowing women the right to vote.) Wednesday President Clinton passes the torch to his wife again historical media ratings and Unity. Thursday Senator Obama will speak in front of thousands. This is political theatre at it's best but so practical and so effective. What kind of bounce could an Obama/Clinton ticket expect?  When Clinton chose Gore it was around 11 points. Why the charade because it creates energy, excitement, ratings, and enough votes to get Obama to the White House. Everything comes together by choosing Clinton. This would solidify his support among unenthusiatic supporters and the bonus is you get a fighter who can take a punch. Senator Clinton has never been "knocked out" She has inspired so many people including myself who only came to admire her as she fought on during the primaries. She just got better and better. By this one action Obama will clinch the presidency because this is change you can believe in. Clinton will be on a team of Rivals which I believe will include Hagel among others. She doesn't need any introducing and she has been vetted forever. This is a Master Stroke and we will win in one move. Check Mate

Note I removed this diary earlier in the week to work on.
Ratification of the 19th ammendment August 18 1920 and became law August 26th.


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Please wake up from your "dream" (2.00 / 2)

Bill Clinton was the best president of my lifetime, and I have deep respect for Sen. Clinton, although at times she ran a horrid and heartbreaking campaign for president.

Sen. Obama is the nominee because he outworked and outsmarted Hillary throughout the primary season.

Although my admiration for the Clintons runs deep, it baffles me as to why the Hillary diehards won't accept this simple reality: Obama is not going to pick Hillary as his running mate. There is no way in hell the Obama campaign is going to turn Wednesday of his convention into Clinton Fest '08.

Why do you folks keep setting yourselves up for further pain? It's just like the primary season. After Obama won Wisconsin, for all intents and purposes, it was over. That was in February. You fine folks kept being strung along until early June, when Hillary finally withdrew her candidacy.

Or "suspended," as you folks prefer.

Please stop setting yourselves up for more heartbreak.


by BenderRodriguez on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:03:32 PM EST

I was formerly a Clinton supporter, (2.00 / 7)

now backing Obama. I don't think she'll be VP, nor do I want her to be. I think she'll accomplish more in the Senate. But this diarist has always been an Obama supporter, so "you folks" might not be the best way to address him. Politicalslave seems optimistic about this idea, but he'll be anything but heartbroken if she isn't chosen.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:14:13 PM EST
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Re: I was formerly a Clinton supporter, (none / 0)

Ashamed might be a better word. Ha ha


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:11:07 PM EST
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Re: I was formerly a Clinton supporter, (none / 0)

Thank you Sricki I just woke up and was unable to "defend my honor"  During the primaries I supported Obama and I really admired Edwards.
As the race came to an end my eyes were opened to Senator Clinton the fighter.
by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:53:24 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

We can take it. President Clinton is already speaking on Wednesday so what's one more clinton?
I have always supported Obama I just think this is their plan. Why not?
by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:07:15 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

McCain is doing just what he did in the primaries - hanging tough and eventually coming out of nowhere to surpass his rivals. He's within a point of being tied with Obama now, so I'm ready to go out on the proverbial limb and say  it's looking more and more like Obama will need Hillary to assure a win. I'm a staunch Hillary supporter who isn't convinced I want Hillary to be Obama's vice president, but see it as far and away the best choice for the party.


by phoenixdreamz on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:54:47 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama will win without Clinton but I think he will be guaranteed a win with her.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:21:34 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Yes, thankyou, that is what I meant. I hope your theory pans out.


by phoenixdreamz on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:37:03 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

Me too! Cheers


by Politicalslave on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 12:09:44 AM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

You know how much I love this prediction already.
I think the whole, "we're working out how her supporters can be heard" storyline could be a cover while they work out the details of this elaborate plot.

by LakersFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:09:04 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

Hi lakersfan. Yes I agree and I found it interesting the week the New York Times July 20th came out with Clinton is being vetted that Terry McAuliffe basically endorsed Kaine. Why would McAuliffe say this when he is Clinton's former campaign manager.
This was July 24th. So the papers reported this "proves" Clinton is out as VP
by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:16:06 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

I think it's fine for Clinton to speak on Tuesday as someone who has shattered some Glass ceilings and on Thursday as running mate. I'm sure the house will be full.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:09:19 PM EST

is this snark? (none / 0)

serious question.

it's a good parody if not snark...


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:15:45 PM EST

Re: is this snark? (2.00 / 2)

You can laugh at me if my "breaking the Code" is wrong and I will join you. But who else can energize this campaign like Clinton? Please tell me.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:18:00 PM EST
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the thing about polarizing politicians... (2.00 / 1)

whoever they are, is that they "energize" some segments while alienating others.  the problem with hillary is that she represents the opposite of what barack represents.  she craps all over his message of change.  she energizes the right while dividing the left.

it's not that i don't see things the way you laid them out (i don't), but voters don't see them that way, either.  hillary, while certainly admired by her most ardent supporters, is viewed through a more complex lens by others.  and the fact is that it's difficult to break through those complexities, both for voters and campaigns.  she is open to stereotypes, perhaps undeservingly, because of this.

from a more objective view, it's hard to see why barack and his campaign would take on the risks of nominating hillary as veep.  why risk all the negatives she comes with for a few positives?  why energize the right when they are demoralized, and struggling to excite their ground troops?

in the end, barack hardly needs more energy in his candidacy.  the excitement out there is already real -- and mccain is literally criticizing barack for all the energy around him.  if hillary actually commanded the loyalty of her supporters, it might be one thing, but as we've seen here, over and over, she doesn't.  she is only the symbolic leader, she doesn't actually command loyalty.  even if she was the veep nominee, a percentage of her supporters would still vote for mccain -- they are that hurt by the choice of democratic voters.  why risk alienating the others, for a symbolic leader who commands so little loyalty?

nope, i can't share your perspective, largely because it is so far from that of the electorate's.  i want to win the white house.  it is just that simple...


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:32:24 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (2.00 / 1)

according to recent polls, 70 percent of Americans are 'positive' about her.  That's a big number, higher than either Barack or John, who both come close to her positives.  There has been plenty of sniping on the blogs about her or about him, but the American people like both and most Democrats want both on the ticket.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:33:04 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (2.00 / 1)

sorry, i don't know about your recent polls.  i do know about these:

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. July 27-29, 2008. N=466 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.5.  RV = registered voters. Results based on adults, except where noted.

"We'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. New York Senator Hillary Clinton." "New York Senator" omitted prior to June 2007.

Date    |    Favor    Unfav    NevHd    Unsure
7/27-29/08 RV     56     42     -     2    
6/26-29/08 RV     53     44     -     3    
4/28-30/08     51     46     -     3

CBS News/New York Times Poll. July 7-14, 2008. N=1,534 registered voters nationwide.    RV = registered voters. Except where noted, results below are among all adults.

"Is your opinion of Hillary Clinton favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven't you heard enough about Hillary Clinton yet to have an opinion?"

Date    |    Favor    Unfav    Undec    NevHd    Refused    
7/7-14/08 RV    46     38     13     3     0    
5/30 - 6/3/08RV    41     39     18     2     0    
5/1-3/08 RV    42     37     18     3     0    
4/25-29/08 RV    36     42     15     1     6

Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. June 19-23, 2008. N=1,115 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Do you have a positive or negative feeling about Hillary Clinton?"

Date    |    Pos     Neg     Neith     Unsure      
6/19-23/08     49     39     10     2

ABC News/Washington Post  Poll. June 12-15, 2008. N=1,125 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS.

"Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of Hillary Clinton?"

Date    |    Fav    Unfav    Unsure
6/12-15/08    54     43     3        
4/10-13/08    44     54     2

by comparison:

CBS News  Poll. July 31-Aug. 5, 2008. N=906 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.    Among registered voters, except where noted.

"Is your opinion of Barack Obama favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven't you heard enough about Barack Obama yet to have an opinion?"

Date    |    Fav    Unfav    Und    HavenHd    Ref
7/31 - 8/5/08    37     32     25     5     1

CBS News Poll. July 31-Aug. 5, 2008. N=906 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.  Among registered voters, except where noted.

"Is your opinion of John McCain favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven't you heard enough about John McCain yet to have an opinion?"

Date    |    Fav    Unfav    Und    HavenHd    Ref
7/31 - 8/5/08    33     34     26     7     0

as for your last sentence, you may be unaware of what democrats are saying:

Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. June 19-23, 2008. N=1,115 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all registered voters).

"Do you think Barack Obama should choose Hillary Clinton as his vice president, or not?" Asked of registered Democrats and Democratic primary and caucus voters

Date    |    Should     ShouNot    Unsure            
6/19-23/08    36     42     22


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:02:31 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

Also note that Anna posts on the Obama hate site Alegres Corner.


by venician on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:07:00 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

I'm supposed to be insulted? I'm also a front pager at No Quarter, recently promoted.  Hillary supporters don't do group think, we all have our own very distinct points of view. You should try it, it's fun to think for yourself.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:56:05 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

Insulted, no. Ashamed, YES. Posting on a racist site tells us all who and what you really are.


by venician on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 10:25:47 AM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

Anna's polling her multiple personalities.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:19:02 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

I'm very consistent.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:56:32 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

Yes


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 05:40:48 AM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

Anna Shane's comments have been fine from what I've seen and that good enough for me.


by Politicalslave on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 07:57:10 AM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

I'm familiar with A.S's work on this site and other sites.  There's the more concerned, helpful A.S. here and then there's a more aggressive slanderous version on other sites.  


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 05:44:46 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (none / 0)

This is the only site I spend time on so I don't know what to say.


by Politicalslave on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 07:07:21 PM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (2.00 / 1)

Those polls show that people have a more favorable opinion of Hillary Clinton than Obama or McCain, so she sounds like a sure winner. And as for that last poll, I'm betting that 42% who think it's a bad idea to select her as VP won't be voting for Obama anyway.


by LakersFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:26:25 PM EST
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yeah, i don't care if you want to climb down... (none / 0)

from the original assertion.  my point was that the original assertion is demonstrably wrong.  hillary has always had the advantage of starting with basically universal name recognition where everyone feels comfortable enough about her to have an opinion.  that's why she was inevitable.  many of us recognize that this did not propel her to the democratic nomination, so that "advantage" may not be much of an advantage at all.  but i certainly won't try to stop you from remaining committed to it.  i will merely note that all i care about is winning.  so our perspectives are different...


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 08:29:22 AM EST
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Re: the thing about polarizing politicians... (2.00 / 1)

It seems to me Senator Clinton is admired more now
than at any other time. I appreciate your comments
Thank you
by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:14:44 PM EST
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I really like her (2.00 / 4)

I wish you could do paragraphs though, that was a hard read.

I do like her a lot, don't know if VP is the best place for her but it wouldn't begin to change my vote. She's a good Democrat I therefore heart her entirely ;)

So go Hillary*

*If that's what Barack wants :D


by figgy on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:19:53 PM EST

Re: I really like her (2.00 / 4)

Sorry figgy I agree. I will get better.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:22:47 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

I might add who is more ready? Obama is on a 10 day holiday is he going to introduce a new face?
Why risk it when you know what your getting with Clinton.
by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:21:43 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 4)

Very good point. It'd be a terrible time to introduce someone new at that point.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:23:36 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

Well I have always admired Edwards and his wife.
I thought I knew him but if I were Obama I wouldn't take the chance on anyone but Clinton because the new faces may have something to hide.
So may the old ones for that matter. I just think you get so much in one move! Who comes close?
by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:28:23 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 4)

That's one of the main reasons I buy this whole story. I just don't think there's enough time to pick someone else and have the party on-board before the convention. If he picks Hillary, no one in the party can be upset that he picked someone who hadn't earned it or whose positions are unknown.


by LakersFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:36:14 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I guess you could argue Biden is ready and experienced but he doesn't bring any excitement or energy but he would be great in the debates I'm sure. I actually like Biden but he doesn't come close to Clinton.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:59:02 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I'm bored just thinking about Biden. I can't even guess how quickly he would suck all of the excitement out of the convention.


by LakersFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:10:10 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

You're living in fantasy land because you refuse to hear any thoughts other than your own. A whole lotta people would not like it. You are just oblivious to them.


by Christy1947 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:14:48 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

So who do you think would be a stronger running mate and why of course? Thanks for the comment.


by Politicalslave on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 10:01:10 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

My preference was always Jim Webb, although I know he had some raunchy things to say twenty eight years ago about women in the military. He has reformed and if Byrd is allowed to reform, so is he.

I also dreamed about Colin Powell, but two AA candidates in an AA first year is one too many, no matter how good Powell might be, and his wife wanted him out of politics because she was afraid for him in the same way many of us were afraid for O especially after the RFK comment.

Wesley Clark is a possibility as he has both military chops and good experience at NATO working with foreign militaries, most of the time. Chuck Hagel is a possibility.Wexler. Casey the younger.

Biden is a distant possibility, with foreign experience and no ambition which is not under control. Bayh is also a distant possibiity, but he is somehow too vague.

I look for, in roughly but not exactly this order, as no one will have all of them, first  a candidate who can supply at least one element O does not have, and who could in fact run the country properly and fairly, and on  most of the original O notions  if O is hit by an asteroid after being sworn in. (To me, HRC has no actual 'the buck stops here' type executive experience, however much she may know about politics and policy)

Someone who would really be interested in cleaning up the abuses of executive power rather than using them once in hand  or leaving them to rot nastily rather than confront the Republicans over them. (A matter which has always given me pause as to HRC since I don't think she would really clean it all up or even a material part of it and might use it if she had the chance. She is also capable of being intimidated by the right wing patriotic crazies, which is how she got in trouble about the war in the first place).

Someone for whom military choices are a last resort, not a first one, and for whom the military is a matter of maintenance and care, not patronage, and especially those who have already served and need now their country's help to go on.

Someone with a demonstrated policy to negotiate difficult compromises, as O did on the videotaping of capital crime interviews with the Chicago cops, rather than issue ultimatums, veto threats and bombast, so that the middle is well into the mix and if there ever come sensible moderate or liberal republicans again, they can be dealt with rationally and respectfully and the Blue Dogs the same rather than just tolerated with gritted teeth.  

Someone with no skeletons in the closet, such as romances for Bill after Monica, for example or the ones I hear whispered in NYC about HRC.

Someone who can genuinely understand how religious people think and function and work with them without surrendering to them, rather than bowing at it in confusion from a distance.  

Someone who can really function easily in a multicultural world rather than struggling to do it as a matter of manners not in the high priority line, as most white politicians do, or who falls off the wagon from time to time in public as HRC has done. If male, the VP has to be able to function smoothly, knowledgeably  and respectfully but not obsequiously with women and women's issues on a professional basis and has a track record of  doing it and not falling off that wagon either.

Much as I might like it, I see no viable female options as Sibelius has been pushed mostly because she's female, and Napolitano is tied too tightly to her state. McCaskill is good, but she also has no executive, foreign or military  experience and I have a concern that there would be those who would reject ANY female candidate if they cannot have HRC.

Hope this respectfully answers your question.


by Christy1947 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 10:42:57 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I love your answer. I think we have more in common
than not. I really like Webb and Biden too. I think Powell would be amazing but it isn't his moment. Thank you for your reply this is what I enjoy about this site.
by Politicalslave on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 12:22:36 AM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

"Instant Unity," just add crocodile tears.  Seriously, you say you removed this diary once.  Is there any chance you could do so again?


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:34:04 PM EST

while i personally think the diary is the result.. (2.00 / 1)

of wishful thinking, why should it be removed?  why cover up the resentments and anguish that some clinton supporters still feel?  how does that help?

i don't think trying to suppress it helps any.  let them air it out, work it out and come around to the democratic ticket.  an honest discussion doesn't hurt barack; suppression of honest emotions may...


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:44:55 PM EST
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Re: while i personally think the diary is the (2.00 / 4)

How big of you to wait for us to "come around". The only problem is, most of us already are completely supportive of Obama, we just happen to think this would be the best thing for party unity and for winning in November. You know, just the things that all loyal Democrats should want.


by LakersFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:07:41 PM EST
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i'm sorry you misunderstood what i wrote... (none / 0)

feel free to explain how you derived that interpretation (that all clinton supporters needed to "come around").  or are you just being argumentative?


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:24:59 PM EST
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Re: i'm sorry you misunderstood what i wrote... (2.00 / 2)

I was directly addressing your words, "let them air it out, work it out and come around to the democratic ticket."

Feel free to explain how you derived that anyone who supports a unity ticket is an "anguished" Clinton supporter who needs to "come around"?


by LakersFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:36:51 PM EST
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Re: i'm sorry you misunderstood what i wrote... (none / 0)

again, i thought i was clear: i was directing that comment at those who remain undecided, having formerly supported hillary.  nothing in what i said should be interpreted to mean i was talking about all hillary supporters.  whoever barack chooses will be a member of the unity ticket.  hillary supports the ticket, as will all non-conservative democrats...


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:04:47 PM EST
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Re: while i personally think the diary is the resu (none / 0)

Ironic, given your username...

Endless repetition of the same lame whinging is boring.  If the diarist has nothing new to say, I wish s/he wouldn't say it.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:12:32 PM EST
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i suppose the whole thing about having.. (2.00 / 1)

a username that is sort of an inside "joke" is that not everyone will get it.  oh, well.  i can't help about the shape i'm in...

i'd suggest that if you are bored by what a diarist says that you stop reading boring diarists.  your blame is misdirected towards the diarist, if you feel that way...


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:28:37 PM EST
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Re: i suppose the whole thing about having.. (none / 0)

Here's the thing: these "PUMA" idiots are trying to make their movement appear larger than the few paranoid oddballs it is by being really loud.  The best way to defeat them is to either totally crush their credibility or mock them into silence.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:19:01 PM EST
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yeah, i'm not trying to defeat them... (2.00 / 1)

but defeat mccain.  most of hillary's supporters who can't vote for barack won't vote for mccain, anyway.  those who do weren't democrats in the first place...


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:05:57 PM EST
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Re: yeah, i'm not trying to defeat them... (none / 0)

We're on the same side here, but I think the "PUMA" tools need to be mocked more.  They're still allowed in "serious" (i.e. MSM) political discourse, whereas they need to be shunned as much as Larouchies and people who believe in UFOs and government mind-control rays.  Reality denial has real consequences.


I am not a crook!
by username on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 05:00:58 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Ha Ha No not this time. Yes INSTANT UNITY. The Convention would be the start of a lovefest.No Doubt.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:21:57 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

yes it would. People are sick of the divisiveness, they can't wait for a unity moment. And that's also Barack's message.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:59:54 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Better start learning to doubt then. This is not unity. This is a shotgun marriage with the posters here carrying the shotguns.


by Christy1947 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:13:16 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

I wish I could believe that our wonderful media wouldn't subject us to 8 years of turning every cliche of gender power relations into "stories"

Is she nagging, is he not masculine enough ....


by wrb on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:37:57 PM EST

Re: In that case better not have a woman (2.00 / 2)

Fair point.

However I think this narrative starts particularly charged because of the knock-down drag out & the insults that have been exchanged.

I'm not opposed to Hil as vp but see it as a high risk but potentially high return choice.

I'm also not sure she wouldn't be more effective as a senator finally freed from having to position herself for a presidential run.


by wrb on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:53:02 PM EST
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Re: In that case better not have a woman (1.00 / 2)

What's that smell?


by venician on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:58:49 PM EST
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Re: In that case better not have a woman (2.00 / 1)

Gee, I thought you said you didn't support the PUMAS:

Yes even the word "unity" makes my skin crawl. Suppressing dissent doesn't work, it just flares back up in other places with greater force.
And Obama himself is surrounded by very quiet, soft-spoken senior staffers. Each person hired must pass his "no drama" test. We all know what that means.
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by: catfish @ Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 13:17:26 PM CDT

Posted on Alegres Asylum blog.


by venician on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:36:59 PM EST
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Re: In that case better not have a woman (2.00 / 1)

 Reminder to self:  never get on venician's shit list.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 05:11:48 PM EST
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Re: In that case better not have a woman (2.00 / 2)

it's fun keeping that blogger busy stalking.   Poor dear has to have a mission in life.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:01:49 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I think Obama can handle the situation.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:23:00 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five day (2.00 / 4)

he has practical reasons, but even better he has a theoretical reason.  Senator Obama is running as a unity candidate, and his claim is that he's uniquely qualified for unity.  He's been dissed for having controversial associations, but he's exactly the sort of fellow who can be friends with those he disagrees with and not do breaches over disagreements. He gave the 'empathy deficit' speech, I thought it was his greatest, and he says you can disagree without being disagreeable. he also says that he and Hillary agree 99% of the time and that she'd be on anyone's short list.

The point of him is that he'll pick a consensus vp, not necessarily the one he'd feel most personally comfortable with, but the one that shows he can bridge divides and brings sides together.

It's obvious to me that he's decided on HIllary and that he's only waiting for the rest of us to have time to ventilate. When he said he didn't think her supporters want catharsis, he was saying that they want to be listened to, heard, respected, and won over fair and square.  It's going to be a big unity moment, and for one I can hardly wait to get behind his candidacy with the same passion I have had for Hillary.  

go dream ticket!!!


what a relief
by anna shane on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:51:18 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five day (2.00 / 5)

Picking HRC only enhances his unity/healer image.


by alamedadem on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:10:26 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five day (2.00 / 1)

Exactly. This is what he says he is good at. Lincoln and his "Team of Rivals" is the way he will govern.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:24:32 PM EST
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Re: Hillary enhances unity/healer message (none / 0)

With what is she supposed to enhance that?  She has made not attempt to and is not planning to heal "Hard working white Americans" ""I would not have gone to that church."  "He's unamerican and UnDemocratic for not accepting the Michigan primary results and is disenfranchising voters." "I'm ready to be commander in chief and so is McCain but all he's got is a speech."  or the RFK assasination remarks that wounded so many AAs and which she claims were merely misunderstood or her participation in stirring up the Jeremiah Wright business in the first place, the Somali photo her staffer sent out, and the NAFTA scam. She is not going to stop doing that or doing drama queen turns to get what she wants, confident that he as a properly raised man is not going to answer her back with the mustard and venom she allows herself, and that properly raised people would criticize him for talking to a woman in the same tones she has talked about him, even before whether a black man should talk that way about a white woman in public, no matter how she talks about him. How do you and how does she plan to help heal the damage she has done that she does not regret. It is she who would have to heal that, and she not just can't but won't. And we already know Bill is not playing on any unity team not run by a Clinton.


by Christy1947 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:25:17 PM EST
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Re: Hillary enhances unity/healer message (2.00 / 1)

You answered your own question.  If Obama can look past all of the things you mentioned, even though some are not really true, he must be a uniter and a healer.

It's about HIM being the uniter and the forgiver.  Sounds like he already has gotten over it - has everyone else?


by alamedadem on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 01:28:20 AM EST
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Re: Hillary enhances unity/healer message (none / 0)

You didn't answer my question. What is SHE going to do to be a healer and a uniter, as part of the ticket. If she is not doing anything it's like someone forgiving another for murdering one of his children, who then watches that forgiven one kill another of them, and look the forgiver in the eyes and say "well, you forgave me for the first one."


by Christy1947 on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 01:30:18 PM EST
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Re: Hillary enhances unity/healer message (none / 0)

Actually she doesn't have to do anything. Obama is in charge. This is about strategy and tactics.


by Politicalslave on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 07:51:34 PM EST
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Re: Hillary enhances unity/healer message (none / 0)

So, he MUST be a unifier and healer  and forgive all that has gone by and spend valuable campaign time trying to get his supporters to agree with that, while she continues with putting out competing press releases showing she is so very independent and her supporters continue to cut him down? Get real.


by Christy1947 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 09:29:43 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 2)

Looks like somebody figured out how to get on the Rec.List on this blog. ; )


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:13:42 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

It doesn't happen to often believe me. Ha Ha


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:26:48 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

The bounce would be amazing.  I have to agree that it is the strongest ticket and I have ben puzzled by so much noice from the Obama campaign that there's NO WAY it could happen.

As to Clinton having run a "horrid and heartbreaking" campaign--I think that is pure bullshit.  The Obama campaign certainly tried to spin it that way and barely succeeded.  But (almost) anyone who heard Clinton on the stump would have to disagree.  She also closed very hard, with large victories in key states, and she won the three most important swing states.  I think the Obama campaign  was brilliant but Clinton was the victim of serious misogynism in the media and still managed 18 million votes and victories, sometimes huge ones, in key states come NOvember.

I think it is Obama and his campaign who have to stop running the primary campaign and get over the fact that she refused to get out when it would have been best for him and went on to beat him in Ohio, PA, IN, etc. He is the one who stands to be elected to the most important political position in the world.  He is the one who has to make the choice that may require overcoming resentment and a fear of competition for the spotlight.


by Thaddeus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:27:03 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 2)

Cite one source that has someone from the Obama campaign commenting on Clinton having run a poor campaign.
Clinton's campaign focused too heavily on the big states and abandoned the smaller states.  That's why she lost.
She might be VP, she might not.  Nothing I've read in this diary is enough to convince me, though.
by bottl4 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:59:38 PM EST
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You're right (none / 0)

I should have said many Obama supporters, not the Obama campaign.


by Thaddeus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:13:32 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

I don't think this would be hard for Obama. Senator Clinton finished strong which is why she is out there now campaigning and why she is such a great running mate. I appreciate your comment.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:30:09 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 5)

This does make sense.
Tuesday is Hillary night.
No need for a roll call on Wednesday - in fact, it could be like the 1984 GOP convention where the "ticket" was nominated together.
Thursday is Obama Night at the stadium - the convention wouldn't need to hear from the VP (again) if it's HRC - the focus would be on Obama, as it should be as the nominee.
by alamedadem on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:05:16 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Yes good point NO ROLL CALL required.


by Politicalslave on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 10:26:22 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 3)

How about a true hard hitting progressive from an important State?

Bob Wexler...
a taste...

http://wexler.house.gov/apps/list/press/ fl19_wexler/081408_snakeoil.shtml


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:24:42 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

Well Senator Obama has said "Geography" or winning a particular state is not what he's looking for when choosing a VP.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:33:37 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I like Wexler he is very passionate which is unusual. He is a hell of a fighter. I just think Clinton solves a lot of "problems" by being picked and of course is a strong candidate as well.


by Politicalslave on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 07:25:50 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 2)

If wishing made it so ... I hope you're right


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by DizzyQueen on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:27:22 PM EST

Never happen. And it shouldn't. (2.00 / 1)

What, was Bill Clinton in on the cover-up too, suggesting through his restraint that Obama wouldn't be qualified to be commander-in-chief?  

No.  You don't want the "Bill Clinton said what?!" side-show to derail two terrific politicians in one political season.

I'd rather have the utterly uninspiring Bayh if we want a unity candidate.


by maconblue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:40:57 PM EST

Re: Never happen. And it shouldn't. (2.00 / 1)

Not me Maconblue. Senator Clinton would be the VP
not Bill. Obama has said he wants someone who will get him to the White House that's Clinton.
She has been vetted. This is important as Edwards showed us. Clinton offers it all. One move Victory
by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:34:51 PM EST
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Re: Never happen. And it shouldn't. (2.00 / 1)

Bill didn't say any such thing, and yes, Bill would be in on the coverup and would be evasive to reporters in the meantime.


by LakersFan on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:31:14 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

He's not going to pick Hillary. He's going to pick someone like Kaine, someone who is really just some sort of background type.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 04:23:34 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I'm going to start troll rating your diaries because you keep posting this same crpa over and over again. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!


by bsavage on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 05:38:22 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

LOL, that would be interesting to see, considering that you can't troll rate a diary on this blog.
I'm with sricki on this, she is much more effective as a Senator, a VP pick wouldn't do her any favors. Bill is also a problem, because he has a problem controlling his message.
Nonetheless, watching some heads exploding around here if Obama does announce her as his pick would be quite entertaining!
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:21:37 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

Hey I'm a Sricki fan and she may be right. Clinton has said she would be interested and why not she would be the first female Vice President of the United States. Nothing is more important than winning this election. Clinton would almost guarantee it. Would she be more effective as a Senator? Could be but it also depends on what her role is as VP.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:39:57 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

That would be a badge of honor coming from you Bsavage. This is your worst nightmare because you will have eight years to mope and kiss my ass. HA


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:30:31 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

If Obama is willing to accept someone that gives him some discomfort, Clinton is the way to go. Picking Clinton is the best way to unite the party. However, I think Obama is going to pick either Evan Bayh or Tim Kaine.  

If Obama goes with Kaine, McCain should go with Palin. However, I don't think he will because Republicans still believe in the all White Male club.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:37:23 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Why do you say Palin? I don't know this person. (My ignorance)


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:41:30 PM EST
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governor of alaska... (none / 0)


"stand with me, and fight by my side." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 08:29:37 AM EST
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Re: governor of alaska... (none / 0)

Thank you Now I remember.


by Politicalslave on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 08:53:49 AM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska is a woman, and a Republican.


by Christy1947 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:29:14 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

You have me utterly convinced that this is going to happen. Thanks for sharing your conviction on this Politicalslave.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:19:56 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

You can hide rate me if I'm wrong but you may have some competition.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:24:42 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I am not too bright. I don't understand, why would I hide rate you? Did you do something bad? Did I?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:29:22 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Hollede I was just joking that you could hide rate me if my "code breaking" abilty is "Faulty" and Obama picks Biden instead of Clinton. Take care


by Politicalslave on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 09:39:07 AM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I can understand the joke after reading some of the comments. Those things make it hard to read good diaries and posts.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 06:01:49 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 2)

This is a Master Stroke and we will win in one move. Check Mate

Abso-fracking-lutely


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:26:36 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 1)

Please note this isn't wishful thinking on my part. I understand why people would assume this. I just think this is a winning strategy that matches the Team of rivals theme. Strategy and Tactics that's what this diary is about.


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:27:44 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (2.00 / 2)

No, I totally get it. I have been wanting to write diaries on this, and have started a couple, but then you post it first. I have no idea about your other political beliefs other than I seem to agree with you a lot. On this issue, I think you have absolutely nailed the VP pick.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:39:14 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Maybe I can read your mind faster than you can type. Ha Ha


by Politicalslave on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 07:47:34 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Yes you do, damnit. And you have better points than me ;~[


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:22:25 PM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

I keep recing your diaries hoping that it makes them REAL!!!  I'm heading to Denver to see it for myself - I will come away totally devastated if it doesn't happen.


by nikkid on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:01:09 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

You really are going to Denver? I'm so jealous.
If this does happen you will never forget it. Go for it and write some diaries. Many of us have never been close to a convention. This could be an AMAZING, Historical convention.

It has to happen!


by Politicalslave on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 12:14:18 AM EST
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Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Would the diarist kindly explain how having Bill Clinton pass the torch to his wife, and not the Presidential candidate, as the diarist suggests, makes this anything less than a total nightmare. It is a pantomime which says that what the Party decided by a primary is irrelevant and she rather than O is the real candidate and the real leader of the party. Who are you kidding?

What it says, which some of you, and plainly the diarist like, is that it admits that although O may be the  nominal Presidential candidate, that is treated by the diarist and the Clintons as an irrelevancy, which is why Bill passes the torch not to Obama but to Hillary. A massive insult to all those who worked so that O won the primary and the ballots. It may be your dream but:
   -Clinton's supporters love the pants off her and shout a lot, but  didn't match their checkbooks to their passions and left her twenty million dollars in debt (unlike O), and the O supporters have NOT been willing voluntarily to bail her out, and may not be willing to support a slate with her on it under these circumstances either, financially or operationally.
    -it completely undercuts the central Change meme of the campaign, because the torch is being passed within a family from a Clinton to a Clinton, hardly a sign of change.
     - it massively demeans a huge contingent of the entire party, for whom there is provided no opportunity to celebrate the nomination of the first person of color as President. This focus on the Clintons and not the candidate will only remind them of the 'hard working white people' and her slurs on the black church and a host of other things that sensibe and practical black politicians like James Clyburn took umbrage at. All how the white folks will grab anything even if their candidate won fair and square, and celebrate by all of what the diarist loves how they managed to wrest O's win from him for themselves, after all the primaries were over. And all they have to do for the Democratic Party to lose is to stay home in any appreciable numbers. No democrat has won with the white vote alone in decades, and a huge AA and other color turnout is required this year as well. Clinton's notion that they have no alternative and will get over it is, unfortunately, wrong, since many do not vote policy, and the disrespect of them will drown out any policy HRC and Old Bill might propose.  
 


by Christy1947 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:06:00 PM EST

Re: Dream Team within Five days of Convention (none / 0)

Thanks Christy1947.  I believe Obama is bi